Four Letter Words II
February 14th, 2010 | 
Author: icecoldbath asked:
The second part in a series on trans languages.
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other people accont on you .. ?
huh,,,
1) What the hell is your point?
2) Your final comment “passing - bad, respect- good” is a mistake I see a lot of in younger people. Respect is earned; I don’t care if your a downtrodden ultra-feminist or a macho pig.
And there are plenty of human “truths” that are not universal, not even to other humans, but which we think are universal to all people and things.
Perhaps from the tree’s perspective, one less human means more room for forests. Or maybe the tree would be totally neutral about human concerns.
The point is that there are universal human values and truths, but they are value judgements that we as humans put on the cold, dispassionate facts of our world.
Ahh yeah, definitely. I don’t believe anyone who seriously believes in absolute truths thinks they are always broad sweeping generalizations. The world is complicated and so truth itself has to be complicated and precise. I just don’t think Truth is relative to who is holding the belief.
Ah… cool!
I was just going to give an example of what I meant by subjective truth, so I’ll do it anyway: As a human being, it’s universally agreed that murder is the worst thing a person can do - it harms the individual victim, society at large, and the perpetrator (who may go to prison and/or be executed). This is a moral truth.
But moving over to the perspective of another living thing - say, my cat or a tree, the moral truth that human murder is bad may no longer hold.
Oh! Then what you mean by fact I would mean by Truth.
Something having objective reality that can be verified according to an established standard of evaluation.
I distinguish this from “truth”, which I define here as a subjective worldview based on a person’s own experience of existence, colored by the individual’s own values and ways of thinking about the world.
What do you mean by facts then?
There are others, such as myself, that do not believe that absolute truth exists. I believe there are only facts, which can be assembled into different narratives.
“I believe that our gender identity isn’t a matter of some true identity in us, but a matter of how we feel we fit into the *construction* of gender around us.”
Actually, I believe it’s both… our gender identity is the sense of how the things we feel on the inside fit into the construction of gender around us.
Sure, I’m all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but I think someone can be disrespectful unintentionally, in fact. I’d probably say most disrespect is unintentional. Also, its fairly easy to tell if someone is attempting to present as one gender or another. Very few people are so intentionally androgynous as to make that difficult.
are saying that if someone thinks you’re a man and calls you ’sir’ then they’re disrespecting you? Because it’s just an honest mistake, that’s not disrespect, if you look like a man then people will think you are, sure you define what you are but that doesnt mean everyone else should somehow know that
lol well i think youtube disagrees, going by all the gay partnership shite adverts.
Oops, I forgot to add in a sentence or two. I meant to include, “It’s not necessarily disrespect (when using wrong pronouns) so much as it is a lack of awareness or knowledge.”
Hope that helps what I said make more sense.
I think the only problem with ‘respected’ instead of ‘passing’ is that society is responding to what they believe that person is. I do agree though that passing needs to go.
Unless one is a crossdresser? Heehee.
You are really cute. Your femininity is even more powerful and enticing than genetic femininity and is amplified by your analysis of facts surrounding it.
YOUR DNA MAKES YOU..
I just want to know if your a woman or a man,
im guessing woman, but i cant tell.
So you no longer thing i’m a woman?
I would think that you’re a woman. If it wasn’t for your (Text) intro about you.
Well thats why I like ‘respect’. It helps to undo the difference between trans women and cis women. I don’t see myself as that much different from a cis woman, except for the fact that experience a certain kind of oppression (transphobia), and have a unique medical and childhood upbringing.
I agree that ‘respect’ should supersede ‘pass’. But bringing appearance into the conversation implies a transwoman must seek respect as a cisgender woman and not necessarily as a the woman that happens to be trans.
Many transwomen will never be respected under the blend/beauty standard. Shouldn’t the goal of the our language allow us to have pride in our trans-ness and remove the judgment upon ability to blend?
Must we be accept denial our own self-worth as trans and cisgender transphobia?
Wow! I thought I was the only one with the urge to be an ‘in your face’ trans woman. If someone is rudely staring at me in a restaurant for example, I’ve been known to take off the wig and smile.
“Respected” is a better choice. But sometimes I desire respect for openly surviving as a trans woman. Not just as a woman. I hate it when folks think they’ve ‘busted’ me for hiding something instead of being myself. I don’t care to feel like I need to appease anyone anymore than anyone else has to.
FYI: If it weren’t for my marked improvement in quality of life via HRT I wouldn’t need to add this “I’m kidding” to my last reply.